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Postby frenchy on Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:02 pm

Here is below the latest FIBA world ranking for basketball countries.
What do you think of it ?
IMO it is completely stupid
From the 1st to the 10th place it is quite ok then after.....
I was looking for Poland and Portugal and I was not able to find them.
Do you really think that Congo and Hong Kong are playing better basketball ??? (no offense to people from these 2 countries)

Nevertheless, I would like to thanks FIBA for this ranking ! Thanks to it I have improved my knowledge in geography !!

1.USA
2.Argentina
3.Spain
4.Serbia
5.Lithuania
6.Italy
7.Greece
8.France
9.Australia
10. Germany
11.China
12.Puerto Rico
13.New Zealand
14.Turkey
14.Angola
16.Canada
17.Brazil
18.Russia
19.Slovenia
20. Venezuela
21.Croatia
22.Nigeria
23.Lebanon
24.Israel
25. Korea
26.Qatar
27.Uruguay Uruguay
28.Mexico
29.Panama
30.Dominican Republic
31.Algeria
32.Japan
33.Islamic Republic of Iran
34.Egypt
35.Virgin Islands
36.Latvia
37.Senegal
38.Bosnia and Herzegovina
39.Ukraine
40.Chinese Taipei
41.Tunisia
41.Kazakhstan
43. Jordan
44.Central African Republic
45.Syria
45.India
47.Mali
48.Morocco
49.Cameroon
50. Ivory Coast
51.Kuwait
52.Hong Kong
53.Czech Republic
54.Uzbekistan
55.Mozambique
56.Bulgaria
56.South Africa
56.Macedonia
56.Cape Verde
60.Malaysia
61.Estonia
61.Hungary
63.Philippines
64.Indonesia
64.United Arab Emirates
66.Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
67.Sweden
68.Gabon
69.Thailand
70.Singapore
71.Rwanda
71.Madagascar
73.Congo
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Postby Dramacydal on Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:15 pm

Greece should be at four at least. At the moment they're struggling but they have a complete team without selfishness and with a lot of depth. Plus they are the current european champions and won silver at the world cup if I remember correctly.
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Postby Anthony15 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:38 am

:shock: Russia behind Angola
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Postby debiler on Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:33 am

Angola is a joke. But when you play against Swaziland and Djibouti, you gotta win some of your games.
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Postby The Debilash™ on Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:03 pm

Serbia rating is way too big :evil:
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Postby SVG18 on Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:41 am

wow Belgium isnt even ranked lol

I thought we beat Ukraine and Israel... dont we get some points? :)
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Postby JuryD on Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:27 am

Huh this rating sucks Latvia is stronger all of that African teams and China! This rang is not objective!
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Postby The Debilash™ on Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:14 am

JuryD wrote:Huh this rating sucks Latvia is stronger all of that African teams and China! This rang is not objective!

Stronger than Africa - yes, but stronger than China - absolutely no, cause you Latvians lost to Portugal :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby JuryD on Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:44 pm

The Debilash™ wrote:
JuryD wrote:Huh this rating sucks Latvia is stronger all of that African teams and China! This rang is not objective!

Stronger than Africa - yes, but stronger than China - absolutely no, cause you Latvians lost to Portugal :lol: :lol: :lol:

In Italia tournament we f**ked China with 20 points and 2 years back we winned them with Yao in roster!

The Game with was catostrophe the shot % was :shock:! We played good in this championat we started well(winned Croatia)!
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Postby The Debilash™ on Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:37 am

JuryD wrote:
The Debilash™ wrote:
JuryD wrote:Huh this rating sucks Latvia is stronger all of that African teams and China! This rang is not objective!

Stronger than Africa - yes, but stronger than China - absolutely no, cause you Latvians lost to Portugal :lol: :lol: :lol:

In Italia tournament we f**ked China with 20 points and 2 years back we winned them with Yao in roster!

The Game with was catostrophe the shot % was :shock:! We played good in this championat we started well(winned Croatia)!

That was a just a friendly game. But your match against Portugal were the most important match in Eurobasket and you've lost it :lol: Latvians, you need to say true - Latvia definlety is average in basketball. No offense to you, cause it's real, it's damm real :)
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Postby Lean on Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:35 pm

Philippines = :headbang:, at least we went 6 places higher. I think we were at 69 before the FIBA Asia tournament.
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Postby JuryD on Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:50 am

The Debilash™ wrote:
JuryD wrote:
The Debilash™ wrote:
JuryD wrote:Huh this rating sucks Latvia is stronger all of that African teams and China! This rang is not objective!

Stronger than Africa - yes, but stronger than China - absolutely no, cause you Latvians lost to Portugal :lol: :lol: :lol:

In Italia tournament we f**ked China with 20 points and 2 years back we winned them with Yao in roster!

The Game with was catostrophe the shot % was :shock:! We played good in this championat we started well(winned Croatia)!

That was a just a friendly game. But your match against Portugal were the most important match in Eurobasket and you've lost it :lol: Latvians, you need to say true - Latvia definlety is average in basketball. No offense to you, cause it's real, it's damm real :)

Latvia can reach 6 place in Eurobasket but not higher! That is our max 6-12 place! :)
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Postby The Debilash™ on Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:48 am

JuryD wrote:
The Debilash™ wrote:
JuryD wrote:
The Debilash™ wrote:
JuryD wrote:Huh this rating sucks Latvia is stronger all of that African teams and China! This rang is not objective!

Stronger than Africa - yes, but stronger than China - absolutely no, cause you Latvians lost to Portugal :lol: :lol: :lol:

In Italia tournament we f**ked China with 20 points and 2 years back we winned them with Yao in roster!

The Game with was catostrophe the shot % was :shock:! We played good in this championat we started well(winned Croatia)!

That was a just a friendly game. But your match against Portugal were the most important match in Eurobasket and you've lost it :lol: Latvians, you need to say true - Latvia definlety is average in basketball. No offense to you, cause it's real, it's damm real :)

Latvia can reach 6 place in Eurobasket but not higher! That is our max 6-12 place! :)

You're joker, dude :lol: :lol: :lol: How can they reach 6 place? If in 2003 they were last, in 2005 they were last and in 2007 also they were last. What a shame (N)
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Postby JuryD on Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:01 pm

In 2001 they were 8! And winned Slovenia and LITHUANIA!! In 2003 Eurobasket Macijauskas with a crazy three winned the game with +1!!!

Lithuania is not easy to win Latvia :wink:
We always are UNLUCKY because we are LATVIANS :oops: :lol:

In other Sports Lithuania sucks but Latvia reached Footbal Eiro championat
And Latvia in hockey are in 9 place in world! :lol:
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Postby The Debilash™ on Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:59 pm

JuryD wrote:In 2001 they were 8! And winned Slovenia and LITHUANIA!! In 2003 Eurobasket Macijauskas with a crazy three winned the game with +1!!!

Lithuania is not easy to win Latvia :wink:
We always are UNLUCKY because we are LATVIANS :oops: :lol:

In other Sports Lithuania sucks but Latvia reached Footbal Eiro championat
And Latvia in hockey are in 9 place in world! :lol:

So what?? Well, at fooball we sucks - it's true. But do you know what did Latvia's football national team coach says to us when you reached the Euro 2004? He says that Latvian's players are not better than Lithuania's. So football at our country is realy popular, but or football level is low :cry: But in Euro 2008 qualifyng we had a game with Italians in Italy. And you know what result was when we played against World champions in their own country? The result was 1:1 :) What about hockey? I don't like this sport so I can't tell something about Lithuania national hockey team.

But nr.1 sport in our country is basketball - every Lithuanian is crazy of basketball, during Eurobasket now there is a lot of cars in Vilnius with Lithuania flags on the roof. And we are showing good results in basketball (better than Latvia in hockey or in football), but Ilgauskas didn't ever play for our team :cry: When we will have Ilgauskas, I believe we'll be unstopable, and now without Ilgauskas and Macijauskas we have reach an Eurobasket semifinal.
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Postby Ur Boi Bangs Chol on Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:54 pm

Lean wrote:Philippines = :headbang:, at least we went 6 places higher. I think we were at 69 before the FIBA Asia tournament.

Yes we're better than Sweden!!! :neutral:
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Postby JuryD on Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:30 am

The Debilash™ wrote:
JuryD wrote:In 2001 they were 8! And winned Slovenia and LITHUANIA!! In 2003 Eurobasket Macijauskas with a crazy three winned the game with +1!!!

Lithuania is not easy to win Latvia :wink:
We always are UNLUCKY because we are LATVIANS :oops: :lol:

In other Sports Lithuania sucks but Latvia reached Footbal Eiro championat
And Latvia in hockey are in 9 place in world! :lol:

So what?? Well, at fooball we sucks - it's true. But do you know what did Latvia's football national team coach says to us when you reached the Euro 2004? He says that Latvian's players are not better than Lithuania's. So football at our country is realy popular, but or football level is low :cry: But in Euro 2008 qualifyng we had a game with Italians in Italy. And you know what result was when we played against World champions in their own country? The result was 1:1 :) What about hockey? I don't like this sport so I can't tell something about Lithuania national hockey team.

But nr.1 sport in our country is basketball - every Lithuanian is crazy of basketball, during Eurobasket now there is a lot of cars in Vilnius with Lithuania flags on the roof. And we are showing good results in basketball (better than Latvia in hockey or in football), but Ilgauskas didn't ever play for our team :cry: When we will have Ilgauskas, I believe we'll be unstopable, and now without Ilgauskas and Macijauskas we have reach an Eurobasket semifinal.


In Ilgauskas family was tragedy! :( His wife lot twins! And he had long season!
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Postby The Debilash™ on Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:27 am

JuryD wrote:
The Debilash™ wrote:
JuryD wrote:In 2001 they were 8! And winned Slovenia and LITHUANIA!! In 2003 Eurobasket Macijauskas with a crazy three winned the game with +1!!!

Lithuania is not easy to win Latvia :wink:
We always are UNLUCKY because we are LATVIANS :oops: :lol:

In other Sports Lithuania sucks but Latvia reached Footbal Eiro championat
And Latvia in hockey are in 9 place in world! :lol:

So what?? Well, at fooball we sucks - it's true. But do you know what did Latvia's football national team coach says to us when you reached the Euro 2004? He says that Latvian's players are not better than Lithuania's. So football at our country is realy popular, but or football level is low :cry: But in Euro 2008 qualifyng we had a game with Italians in Italy. And you know what result was when we played against World champions in their own country? The result was 1:1 :) What about hockey? I don't like this sport so I can't tell something about Lithuania national hockey team.

But nr.1 sport in our country is basketball - every Lithuanian is crazy of basketball, during Eurobasket now there is a lot of cars in Vilnius with Lithuania flags on the roof. And we are showing good results in basketball (better than Latvia in hockey or in football), but Ilgauskas didn't ever play for our team :cry: When we will have Ilgauskas, I believe we'll be unstopable, and now without Ilgauskas and Macijauskas we have reach an Eurobasket semifinal.


In Ilgauskas family was tragedy! :( His wife lot twins! And he had long season!

Yeah, I know this is big tragedy... This really sad, but Ilgauskas every year has an explanation to not play for Lithuania :evil: This year he has a tragedy and I understand him, but many years before he still didn't play...
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Postby [Q] on Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:59 am

Kool Moe Dee wrote:
Lean wrote:Philippines = :headbang:, at least we went 6 places higher. I think we were at 69 before the FIBA Asia tournament.

Yes we're better than Sweden!!! :neutral:


take that Andreas :wink:
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Postby Dwight Howard on Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:37 am

BUlgaria 56! COOL! :mrgreen:
We are better than Congo and Rwanda! :D
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Postby The Other Kevin on Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:01 am

Dude, my school's team is better than the Congo and Rwanda.
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Postby Dwight Howard on Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:57 am

The Other Kevin wrote:Dude, my school's team is better than the Congo and Rwanda.


Hey dude if you were in Bulgaria and see where we train you will understand the fact that we are on 56 place is excellent! :cry:
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Postby super_man322000 on Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:12 am

how many teams make it to the olympics???
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Postby zygis1 on Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:08 am

In the fifa world rankings lithuania is better then Latvia take that JuryD
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Postby McDwyane on Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:02 pm

Philippines number 63....well at least we made it at top 70!
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Postby Ur Boi Bangs Chol on Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:50 pm

We're 63 out of a total 73 basketball playing countries. For a "great basketball country" here in Asia, we sure do suck.
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Postby Spartan on Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:20 pm

The Debilash™,
are you realy stupid or what Serbia is country whit 5 world gold medal,1 olympic and 10 european this is only gold medal and more other medal the best nation ever in basketball (divac,bodiroga,paspalj,korac,kicanovic,dalipagic,stojakovic,radmanovic,
djordjevic,savic,krstic,danilovic.......)if you dont know who is this players you dont watch basketball,look this video and you will see how BODIROGA schools antony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIyWC8h56sg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm3Wk5qJcAg&NR=1
and look what basketball legend do two time SALE DJORDJEVIC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30nJ-4sM ... re=related
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Postby Spartan on Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:21 pm

DO YOU WANT MORE OR IS THIS TOO GOOD????????
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Postby Ur Boi Bangs Chol on Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:13 am

No please, don't stop. Post more clips.
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Postby jenz on Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:31 am

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Postby benji on Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:40 am

I figured Jae would have banned him by now.
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Postby Ur Boi Bangs Chol on Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:11 pm

He's not McDwyane.
McDwyane doesn't have hearth to post that kind of crap.


Nice custom title benji.
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Postby deihatein on Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:42 pm

Phillipines=63=greatness. Yeah shadowgrin, i find benji's custom title hilarious :lol:
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Postby Air Zoom Kobe I on Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:56 am

Serbia can't keep up with Spain, Argentina, or France. USA would MURDER spain. They did it in 2000. They can do it again. Don't make me drop some names and footage to back me up.
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Postby Ur Boi Bangs Chol on Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:14 pm

Back it up then.
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Postby Sit on Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:49 pm

Air Zoom Kobe I wrote:Serbia can't keep up with Spain, Argentina, or France. USA would MURDER spain. They did it in 2000. They can do it again. Don't make me drop some names and footage to back me up.


I don't think that USA would murder Spain. Navarro, Calderon, Gasol and co are quite good in the international basketball round.

Based on 'talent', athleticism, and reputations on paper... the USA should murder Spain. But that convention of thought should have been dismissed after France lost to them by just 2 points back in the 2000 Olympics.

On the topic of Serbia, I think they had a decent national side. I'd say they are on the level of France. :) Spain and Argentina are a level higher. USA should be on top but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost. I'm not expecting it though at the Beijing Olympics.
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Postby Air Zoom Kobe I on Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:51 am

Sit wrote:
Air Zoom Kobe I wrote:Serbia can't keep up with Spain, Argentina, or France. USA would MURDER spain. They did it in 2000. They can do it again. Don't make me drop some names and footage to back me up.


I don't think that USA would murder Spain. Navarro, Calderon, Gasol and co are quite good in the international basketball round.

Based on 'talent', athleticism, and reputations on paper... the USA should murder Spain. But that convention of thought should have been dismissed after France lost to them by just 2 points back in the 2000 Olympics.

On the topic of Serbia, I think they had a decent national side. I'd say they are on the level of France. :) Spain and Argentina are a level higher. USA should be on top but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost. I'm not expecting it though at the Beijing Olympics.



Sorry, I meant SERBIA, not spain.

USA=Gold
Spain=Silver
Russia/Argentina=Bronze

Serbia=Not even in the olympics
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Postby Lenne on Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:30 am

belgium isn't in the top 73?? wtf?
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Postby The X on Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:45 pm

Lenne wrote:belgium isn't in the top 73?? wtf?

Probably just because they are not in top Euro division....you'll notice teams like Holland & UK aren't there either, so maybe the games they play against each other don't count towards rankings....seems silly, but nonetheless seems to be the case....
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Re: FIBA world ranking

Postby john26 on Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:36 pm

New Zealand plays basketball? omg that is news to me
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Re: FIBA world ranking

Postby The X on Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:12 pm

john26 wrote:New Zealand plays basketball? omg that is news to me

you obviously have never followed international basketball then....they came 4th at 2002 World Championships & finished 2 positions higher than USA (6th)....at that tournament, I believe they beat the team that won it (Yugoslavia) in Group play....for most of the decade they've been a top 15 team, with the high point coming in 2002....they've also beaten arch rivals Australia on numerous occasions during this decade, even beaten them in a few series & even prevented them from qualifying to 2002 World Championships....but that was back when Sean Marks still played international basketball....the New Zealand team doesn't have a lot of talent, but they play hard & play to their strengths & play a defence that tries to minimise their weaknesses & lack of height....
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Re: FIBA world ranking

Postby Null17 on Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:15 pm

Yay Philippines!(Man, we suck.)
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Re: FIBA world ranking

Postby john26 on Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:36 pm

The X wrote:you obviously have never followed international basketball then....they came 4th at 2002 World Championships & finished 2 positions higher than USA (6th)....at that tournament, I believe they beat the team that won it (Yugoslavia) in Group play....for most of the decade they've been a top 15 team, with the high point coming in 2002....they've also beaten arch rivals Australia on numerous occasions during this decade, even beaten them in a few series & even prevented them from qualifying to 2002 World Championships....but that was back when Sean Marks still played international basketball....the New Zealand team doesn't have a lot of talent, but they play hard & play to their strengths & play a defence that tries to minimise their weaknesses & lack of height....

But wait...how come 1/2 of their team fielded in the Australian League are American imports

rick rickert, greene (played with indiana), derrick alston, cj bruton, wayne turner, melzer, carlos powell
and the other half are aussies - forman, ronaldson, tanner, webster etc

kirk penney is the only kiwi player i have seen play well from new zealand. I have yet to see sean marks play

I believe the ranking is wrong they are way overrated because fewer countries compete in the Pacific, in my opinion philippines, although height-challenged, could beat them any day if nz fielded "the real kiwis" (this is not literally referring to birds)

plus, they don't play a lot of defense, their game is mainly outside shooting. they have big men that shoot from long range
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Re: FIBA world ranking

Postby The X on Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:31 pm

john26 wrote:
The X wrote:you obviously have never followed international basketball then....they came 4th at 2002 World Championships & finished 2 positions higher than USA (6th)....at that tournament, I believe they beat the team that won it (Yugoslavia) in Group play....for most of the decade they've been a top 15 team, with the high point coming in 2002....they've also beaten arch rivals Australia on numerous occasions during this decade, even beaten them in a few series & even prevented them from qualifying to 2002 World Championships....but that was back when Sean Marks still played international basketball....the New Zealand team doesn't have a lot of talent, but they play hard & play to their strengths & play a defence that tries to minimise their weaknesses & lack of height....

But wait...how come 1/2 of their team fielded in the Australian League are American imports

rick rickert, greene (played with indiana), derrick alston, cj bruton, wayne turner, melzer, carlos powell
and the other half are aussies - forman, ronaldson, tanner, webster etc

kirk penney is the only kiwi player i have seen play well from new zealand. I have yet to see sean marks play

I believe the ranking is wrong they are way overrated because fewer countries compete in the Pacific, in my opinion philippines, although height-challenged, could beat them any day if nz fielded "the real kiwis" (this is not literally referring to birds)

plus, they don't play a lot of defense, their game is mainly outside shooting. they have big men that shoot from long range

that's a club team....some of NZ team play for the NZ NBL team, some play in Europe & some play for Aussie NBL teams....only Asian team that is better than NZ is China....how does Phillipines rank up against Japan, Iran, Qatar, Lebanon etc because we've beat all those teams....Phillipines couldn't handle NZ as we play the game like rugby defensively :P NZ plays with intangibles....

all that being said, despite falling only 2 spots short (still ahead of the likes of Brazil) of Olympic qualification in the repecharge (sp?) stage, with Sean Marks only playing in NBA & guys like Mark Dickel (led Division 1 in college in assists his senior year & was Honorable Mention All-American at UNLV when paired with JC transfer Shawn Marion) & Phill Jones (played in Europe for years, good scoring SG) at tail end of career, I think they are no longer a top 12/15 team like they were previously....I'd still have them in my top 20 though....only Asian team ahead of them being China of course....

rankings aren't based on playing teams in the Pacific....smashing American Samoa by 80 points doesn't increase NZ's ranking....it's beating teams like Turkey, Puerto Rico & Canada on a regular basis & getting the occasional upset over a team like Serbia that also helps....

I think also rankings place too much emphasis on historical performance going back beyond a few years (i.e. Serbia at number 4 but Russia & Croatia so low)....

btw, I believe Melzer now plays for NZ national team a little....is now a NZ citizen....although I don't think it really helps the team much at all anyways....

p.s. if you want to see Sean Marks play, you'd have to watch the New Orleans Hornets' games....now is a good time as with a few injuries, he is currently the team's starting centre....at 33 though, he is past his prime, but hopefully continues to get some meaningful minutes....
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Re: FIBA world ranking

Postby Ur Boi Bangs Chol on Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:32 pm

only Asian team that is better than NZ is China....how does Phillipines rank up against Japan, Iran, Qatar, Lebanon etc because we've beat all those teams....Phillipines couldn't handle NZ as we play the game like rugby defensively

Lebanon is the one in that list that can give the Philippines an ass-whopping. Still, we suck.
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Re: FIBA world ranking

Postby Null17 on Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:09 am

Hopefully, that new NTeam initiative is gonna show some results. I'm actually pretty excited about that.
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Re: FIBA world ranking

Postby kentpaul16 on Fri May 15, 2009 7:37 am

philippines number 63 ranking doesn't really show on how powerful the philippine team is...
we are number 63, because of the the poor basketball NT program of our country in the past decades,..e.g. poor funding of the RP Team...sending amateur (pbl) players to the major tournaments...not mentioning the suspension of the Philippines in FIBA,..... but now...BAP, was serious to rebuild our status as one of the basketball powers in asia....let us see what will happen in the next few years...I think their goal now is to be recognize as one of the Top 3 teams in asia...together with China and Iran,....

for the top 3 position,...it' was really disputed and may go either ways... it may be...Lebanon, Korea, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Qatar and of course the Philippines....
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Re: FIBA world ranking

Postby jettdaking! on Thu May 28, 2009 12:45 pm

man, i really think that the next posts are gonna be racial (yep, that's right).

hard to be one of the best fiba teams if other fiba teams wanna pull you down (get what i'm saying?)

at least we filipinos know, with all respect to all players in PBA, PBL and that guy who's playing in the D-League, that our National Team has a LONG way to go.

but for now, TEAM PHILIPPINES SUCKS (i even think the Harlem Globetrotters could beat them :D )
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Re: FIBA world ranking

Postby Null17 on Thu May 28, 2009 2:42 pm

jettsoarshigh wrote:at least we filipinos know, with all respect to all players in PBA, PBL and that guy who's playing in the D-League, that our National Team has a LONG way to go.


Who's that? If you mean Japeth Aguilar, the last I heard was that he was just invited to draft camp.
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