Do you truly believe the NBA is rigged?

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Is the NBA truly rigged?

Yes
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No
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Re: Do you truly believe the NBA is rigged?

Postby Jackal on Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:53 pm

Pdub wrote:
Sauru wrote:Wouldn't it seem like NBA are shooting themselves in the foot by making it harder on the better teams?


Maybe that's why players are willing to form these super teams a la KD.

Also fuck KD. :furious:
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Re: Do you truly believe the NBA is rigged?

Postby koberulz on Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:10 am

I watched game six of that 2002 series for the first time about a year ago. It honestly didn't seem that bad. I don't really remember much, and I'm sure there was the odd bad call as there always is, but I do remember wondering what all the fuss was about.
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Re: Do you truly believe the NBA is rigged?

Postby Sauru on Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:56 am

like i already said, i just cant believe that any unbiased fan of the nba can say this game was not rigged
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Re: Do you truly believe the NBA is rigged?

Postby koberulz on Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:24 pm

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Re: Do you truly believe the NBA is rigged?

Postby NovU on Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:47 pm

I read that piece looong time ago too but I thought 82games had an agenda to pursue as the author works for the NBA team(or happened later), thus not entirely credible source to count it as independent research. Note that I am not claiming the game was rigged but merely saying 1+1 is 2.

For instance, Kobe elbowing right in Bibby's face is "MAYBE" a foul? lel
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Re: Do you truly believe the NBA is rigged?

Postby Sauru on Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:37 pm

koberulz wrote:http://www.82games.com/lakerskingsgame6.htm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNAOTwd-nEQ
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Re: Do you truly believe the NBA is rigged?

Postby Leander on Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:58 pm

No, I don't think so but there's definitely a lot of money involved and with money there are darker corners just like in soccer with FIFA. The refs are sometimes biased or send a star more likely to the FT line than a noname-role player. Same for travelling.

I also read that playoffs did not end with a 4-0 sweep on purpose to make more money with TV ads (the more games, the better).
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Re: Do you truly believe the NBA is rigged?

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:16 pm

Digging this one up, as I never fully responded to the question myself. There were certainly some interesting responses back when I posted it, and going by the poll results, "the NBA is rigged" is something that people believe(d).

For my part, I don't think it's fully, truly, predetermined-as-pro-wrestling rigged. If it is, then frankly the NBA is pretty bad at it. I don't buy that the NBA is simultaneously powerful enough to fix all of the results and Draft outcomes without any hard evidence of it leaking, while at the same time being powerless to stop rogue teams from messing up their plans (like the low-rated Spurs/Cavs Finals happening in 2007). Nor do I believe that they're crafty and conniving enough to let undesirable results happen from time to time, just to throw us all off the scent.

What I do agree with, as many have pointed out, is the bias towards big markets and superstars that has played a role in the outcome of games and series. Looking back at the infamous 2002 Western Conference Finals, the Kings did have their opportunities to win, which were squandered by missed free throws and other shortcomings. They also received some generous calls in at least one game, which is largely forgotten because they lost the series. However, it's pretty obvious the Lakers benefitted from the officiating themselves. It didn't make it impossible for the Kings to win, but it'd be naive to suggest that it didn't make it tougher.

Of course, it's important to look at the context and bigger picture in those situations, because there are other factors. The same goes for Draymond Green being suspended in the 2016 NBA Finals. It changed the momentum, but given what led up to that, his suspension was hardly out of the blue. They certainly could've let it slide given the stakes and optics of giving the league's marquee player a helping hand in completing an historic comeback from 3-1 down, but that could also be seen as favouring the Warriors when players from other teams would've been suspended in the same situation. I'd suggest Draymond needs to accept some responsibility for that one.

As others have noted, there's a business and entertainment side to the league that undoubtedly influences many of their decisions. To that end, I'd say there's definitely an issue with favouritism, inconsistency, and transparency. I don't believe that extends to elaborate plans to fix games, or that the results are as contrived as professional wrestling, or anything like that. There are questions of fairness, but not outright foul play. It's something that continues under Adam Silver, which is why it's puzzling when fans say that he's much better than Stern. Give it time, and there'll be similar controversies (if indeed the 2016 NBA Finals doesn't rank up there for you).

Also, when it comes to the Draft Lottery, it's overseen by Ernst & Young, a much bigger entity than the NBA. I doubt that they're in the NBA's pocket on that one. The odds favour the bottom teams, and outside of the years where someone beats the odds, that's where the top three picks are going. A team bottoming out and winning the lottery isn't much of a conspiracy, though of course it does invite a conversation about tanking and the lottery system.

I think it's all too easy to say that the league is rigged when we're unhappy with the results and there's some controversy. It depends on your definition I suppose, but in the strictest sense of the word, I don't believe it's rigged. Like I said though, I do agree that there's an issue with fairness that persists to this day. That's what needs to be addressed; not uniform nomenclature and Play-In Tournaments.
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Re: Do you truly believe the NBA is rigged?

Postby Murat on Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:41 am

Sorry for bumping. Adam Silver brought gambling, betting, whatever you call into league. It felt like it was rigged for a long time, but now NBA doesn't hide it anymore.
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Re: Do you truly believe the NBA is rigged?

Postby Patr1ck on Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:58 pm

Murat wrote:Sorry for bumping. Adam Silver brought gambling, betting, whatever you call into league. It felt like it was rigged for a long time, but now NBA doesn't hide it anymore.


True. This type of normalization is happening throughout the world. Marijuana is getting legalized in more U.S. states. It's just a matter of time before crack houses aren't a run down empty house with junky transients, but a safe business where young budding politicians can get high. Prostitution is illegal, but you can order an escort service. One day, there may be an actual battle royale on a remote island or something, not unsimilar to Hunger Games or even The Running Man.

When I was watching a game and they reported on the over/under before the game, and then the current over/under during the game, which was different. I haven't investigated whether or not the line changes during the game, or whether it was just the line changing before the game started, but if it changes during the game, it's scam territory.
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